March 23, 2004
Thinking about Tempe and modern college students
One thing that I noticed in Tempe was that I don't think I have ever seen as many people being arrested at one time as I did on any given night there. I think that almost all of them were guys in baseball caps in their early 20's. The funny thing is that my reading material for the trip is a book about the culture of the Scholastic era (sorry, I do not have the book on me, so the exact title and author will have to wait). I had been reading of the problems that college students were creating back in the 13th century.
Part of the problem was that the students were by and large tonsured clerics. They were not necessarily ordained to Major orders, but had taken the tonsure, which gave them a high degree of immunity from the secular law. So there was this culture of maurading young men who had no intention of church life, but were nonetheless protected. They had to be remanded to church courts, which could strip them of their clerical status, but until then the secular authorities could not touch them.
I cannot imagine how bad town-gown relations would be if the fellows going to Hooters were immune from civic law.
The problem with today's college student is that he is the product of privillege. He is not immune from the law, but thinks he is or at least ought to be. We cannot think that the self-centeredness so often identified with the Boomers has stopped. The arrogant sense of entitlement that pervades the young people today is unbelievable. I heard on several occasions the arrested's friends saying to one another things like, "dude, he's gotta fight this. It's totally bogus."
I was not privvy to all conversations around all of the arrests I saw, but I heard snippets of several and not once did I hear the friends saying things like, "well, he was being a complete ass. I sure hope he learns this time."
More and more am I thinking that college students should have compulsory military service before entering college (not that that is the be-all/end-all that will bring discipline and order, but it is a step in the right direction). At least they can have a little humility drilled into them.
Some of us in the music program at UCSC were fortunate to have studied music theory under Prof. Anatole Leiken. Prof. Leiken was a bit of a drill sargeant who was not afraid of instilling a little fear and discipline into his class. It was one thing to make a mistake in counterpoint or chord analysis, but another to make said mistake out of laziness. Even worse was to pretend that the mistake was not a mistake but some exercise in creativity. Prof. Leiken had a look that he could give a student that instantly brought the student to order.
We certainly learned to avoid certain errors in counterpoint, and I think his influence had some effect on us outside of the music department as well. We could certainly put down the booze with the best of them, but we were not a group given to wanton vandalism and mischief. We certainly were not running afoul of the law.
I can only imagine the feeling of dread that one would have if one had to face Prof. Leiken when word had gotten around that one had been arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct.
Part of what made Prof. Leiken so credible is that he was from the USSR and had endured more than any of us. You simply did not want to act in a way that showed arrogance or culpable ignorance around him, because he could put you down with a look at best or a caustic remark that would haunt you forever. The great thing about him is that he always did this with remarkable humor.
I haven't seen him in years, but I know that he is still teaching, which gives me hope for the music department at a school that is trying hard to erase the things that made it stand out (in their vain and half-hearted attempt to be more like Berkeley, they are becoming more like Santa Barbara, which is a shame. But that is a different story).
Posted by erik at March 23, 2004 12:52 AM | TrackBack"Dude, I was so drunk" is one of the most depressing things that I hear young folks say all the time. As you know, I am a big partisan of fermented and distilled beverages, but these folks are getting absolutely out of their heads hammered and bragging about it. North Beach on St. Patrick's Day was the post-collegiate version of this. Depressing.
Posted by: Erik Keilholtz at March 23, 2004 5:03 PMBeing a recent college student at a place where privilege reigns supreme I can tell you that what you saw was not mutually exclusive to Tempe. (Go out to San Diego, Chico, Madison Wisc, et al on a Friday or Saturday night and you will encounter plenty of this. Prof. Vogt at USF used to love to say the two most common phrases heard while walking around campus were "Dude, I was so drunk", and "We didn't get outta there until like 4 am". Some military service would be nice, in order to get order in these people, but it would have to be real service not something like the Commander and Chief put himself through.
Posted by: Ryan Muskar at March 23, 2004 11:43 AMOh, I did not mean to imply that the students in Seattle were not well-behaved...except on the weekends. It just seemed as thought a lot of these folks could just fart through college life because no matter what they did they would end up on easy street.
No disrespect meant to all community colleges. A lot of those folks unfortunately did not do well in high school, but are trying nobly to make up for things in c.c. Unfortunately, in Seattle I saw the most brain-dead asinine leftism on c.c. campuses.
I don't know, Mark. I grew up very close to Sacramento City College, and for the most part the students seemed much more interested in learning and certainly behaved themselves better than what I saw in Arizona. The one sign that there were people who were just drifting is that parking was nearly impossible around the college for the first three weeks of every semester, then it was just difficult. I always attributed this to the ones who drop out early.
But there is a qualitative difference between kids who really don't know what they are looking for and dropping out and the sort of orcs that I encountered in Tempe.
It probably is just an extreme of what goes on elsewhere; it certainly is not like that in Berkeley. I remember seeing a better behaved version in Athens, GA, which I attributed to those admirable Southern manners. Students in the South are going to behave better than students in the Wild West.
Posted by: Erik Keilholtz at March 23, 2004 9:26 AMYou were probably witness to the worst extreme in U.S. student culture. ASU is supposed to be one of the ultimate party schools. Academically, I have heard it referred to as a four-year community college.
If you want to see entitlement, go to my old school, the University of Washington in Seattle. The voters see to it that tuition is maintained fairly low, because all forms of public instruction in that area is basically an entitlement for the middle and upper middle classes. One would think that would make things more inviting for the lower orders, but somehow most of them end up in community college.
I majored in Slavic Languages, so I can appreciate a good Russian professor. Unfortunately, some of the newer arrivals (after I finished) were infected with postmodernism.