I really think it's not right for you outsiders to judge the muslims of islam. They should be able to believe in what they want even if it seems bad to us. You would be surprised to find out that some actually try to bring peace. Just like us. We can choose wether we want to be a christian on not. I don't really know any muslims right now but I know that you outsiders are giving them a hard time with their life. They did nothing to you. So you all need to leave them alone. If they did something to you, tell me and i'll handle it. If not, then mine your own business. So I think you all need to watch your mouth and your attitude against them. If they're coming back and attack, I'm with them.Just like your mothers and fathers taught you. Don't judge a book by its cover!

Peace out!

EDITORS COMMENT: I decided to leave this message here, because it is so funny. "If they did something to you, tell me and i'll handle it?!?" Maria Nesbit is going to go out there and kick some evildoers' butts! Yippee! Go Maria! Go Far Away, Maria!

Tell me, moron, do you vote? If so, you confirm everything I have said about the evils of Democracy.

Oh dear, you bedwetters still have your panties tied up in knots over the election! .

What is it with you people, do you not know how to read? The most recent writer is particularly funny, combining the implied notion that all good arguments come out of the 21st (or at least mid-18th) century with a notion that the Church, being catholic, should embrace all who do not follow its tenets. It is certainly for everyone, and everyone should believe in it, follow it, and obey it.

The Mohammedans think this about their faith as well. At least the honest ones. One of these religions teaches that Christ is the Son of God. One teaches that God has no Son. Do you really think that they are both right? Do you really think that they honor Jesus in the same way?

It is time to wake up and smell the couscous.

I will be addressing both of your comments on the front page this weekend.

I am also quite appalled by your treatment of Muslims on this site. You call yourself a Catholic but it seems that instead of focusing on the actual words of Jesus (who, as has already been stated, is also greatly respected in Islam), such as the fundamental commandment: "love your neighbour as yourself," you demonstrate a lack of respect for other religions and even other denominations of your own faith! This is totally opposed to the teachings of Jesus! You should be less focused on trying to declare your "Catholicness" as if it was like membership of a club, and more concerned about practicing the teachings of Christ, who was kind to all people, be it Jews or Samaritans, women, lepers, prostitutes etc etc...
And one other correction to your argument - the line from the Nicene creed that you quoted: "the holy, catholic and apostolic church" - the word 'catholic' here does not refer to the denomination of Roman Catholicism but in fact means "universal" (coming from the Greek words kat'hwlos or "whole") To put it plainly, "catholic" here means that ALL are welcome - it is not a pledge of allegiance to the Catholic Church as you make it sound! Furthermore, in the same way that Christianity believes its body of worshippers to be universal, Islam also believes in the Ummah, the universal brotherhood - it is therefore NOT a tenet of Islam to be anti-west, as you suggest!
And can you please stop using the word “Mohammedan” - it is not only derogatory, but also makes you sound like you come out of the 13th Century, and that demolishes the credence of your argument.
- Catholic and annoyed (with you)

My goodness, I am quite shocked to read all this. Firstly, I am appalled that you have censored the address of the website recommended by the muslim woman. Why should your own propanganda be the more worthy? It only appears that you fear people questioning your viewpoint, which weakens your arguing considerably, and that you are patronising the visitors to this website, by taking the liberty of 'protecting' us from something. You need to grow up, and show some sort of respect to people of other faiths. What you are encouraging here is a narrow, stereotyped, frankly uneducated view of Islam, and it is downright racist.
Why be anti-Islam? You suggest that Islam is not a religion of peace, yet it is the Muslim woman who offers peace, when most of the rest of you are only attacking a right to freedom of faith, which at this time in history, I would have thought to be shocking to most decent people.
And for some of you to use Christianity as your basis for these beliefs is shameless. How dare you make it seem that other Christians would agree with you? You may believe that Christianity is the truth, and that's fair enough, but you are in the same position as a Muslim who believes Islam is the truth, and how is anyone to ever prove either of you right or wrong (at least in this lifetime). You may criticise those muslims who are not as devout as others, as being less faithful, and accusing their actions of being pointless. But in doing so what about yourselves? At least there are some people who are trying to live good, peaceful lives. Surely that's better than setting out to be disrespecting to people?

Yes, of course there are people who are lax about their faith. I have a muslim friend, who does try to follow the laws of her religion, but occasionally, she has failed in this. If someone admits they do not follow their religion altogether strictly, why condemn them? it's none of your business, really, especially if you don't believe in it anyway. Have you ever thought that perhaps they genuinely don't wish you harm? It's not logical to assume that people are hiding something just because they don't claim to be a fanatic. Not all muslims are fanatics, and this doesn't make Islam any more meaningless than lapsed christians make Christianity 'incorrect'.
Also, why assume that the fanatic is the closest to God? In most religions the fanatic is often the one who has distorted things the most.
I recommend you talk to some muslims personally without passing judgement.

Perhaps I can shed some light onto this issue. The correct word for the followers of Islam (which derives from the word salaam meaning peace) is Muslims not Mohammadians. The latter is a derogotary term which the Europeans introduced. I noticed that it has been suggested that Islam is an invention of Muhammed. This is incorrect. The two tenants of Islam are firstly the holy book, the Qur´an and secondly the final prophet Muhammed. The Qurán is accepted as the word of God. It contains plenty of proof to support this statement. There is plenty of scientific, historical,psychological understanding in the Qur´an which proves that it is the word of God. That is of course leaving aside its literary dimension. The Qurán is a literary masterpiece in its own right and has been categorised as one by many non Muslim scholars. To appreciate this aspect of it one would need to be fluent in classical arabic and have deep understanding of literature. I often find that speaking about Islam is so difficult because it leaves nothing untouched. God has covered every aspect of life and existence from the microcosmos to the macrocosmos in his final testament to mankind.

Islam does not reject Jesus ( may paeace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He is a loved and respected prophet of God. Islam does not teach its followers to force any individual to follow Islam or any other faith. The Qurán is very clear on this matter as God has clearly stated, ´There is no compulsion in religion´. Furthermore Muslims are commanded by God to say people of other faiths, ´´To you your religion to me mine own´. Again emphesising the freedom of choice. Also when we consider the nature of belief one cannot force another to be convinced without providing proof. Force cannot produce genuine belief and therefore one would only be pretending.

I can go on about Islam but I think it has ben articulated better than I can on many websites. I recommend that you visit [MOHAMMEDAN PROPOGANDA SITE DELETED BY EDITOR]
and hope you will find it useful.It will provide numerous proofs for the claim that the Qurán is the word of God and that Muhammed was not a false prophet or a crazy man but the true and final prophet of God.

I agree with the comments above that people should not compromise their truths given that they have thoroughly investigated and have come across indisputable proof.

May God guide us all to the truth

Peace

A Muslim ( WOMEN )

No I want them to believe in Truth. If they think that the Truth is in Mohammedanism, I would rather they believe it in its fullness than compromise it. If they believe in the need to compromise it, then let them understand that it is because it does not contain the full Truth. Then let them abandon Mohammedanism for the True Islam, the True Submission to the Will of God: The Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church founded by Christ Himself and handed down to us by the Apostles.

We should desire for the Mohammedans (as well as Lutherans, Baptists, Mormons, Hindoos...) nothing less, for they are men created in the Image of God and should aim for nothing shorter.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that the only alternative you can propose is that they simply ABANDON Islam? Oh, sorry, that's what you want them to do!

Oh no, "moderate" now means one who can keep a distinction between religious belief and everything else. It is one of those words that is inherently loaded: oh, you believe in God, but think that all of his commands are outdated? Why you must be a moderate (read: rational), secularist. You believe that God meant it when he commanded something? Come now, you fanatic, surely you realize that no one (at least not in our circles) still believes that.

You see, the basic assumption of modern leftish fashionable twaddle is that people used to be stupid. Very stupid. Until about 150 years ago, when they gradually started to get smart. Then, about 40 years ago they suddenly became brilliant.

Moderate is about as insidious a word as compassion, diversity, and all the rest, as used in most mainstream culture.

It is pretty hard for us as outsiders to determine what Mohammedanism is, especially since they have a hard time of it themselves.

Belarc was right to call Islam a heresy. It is a mix-match of Christianity and Arab religions tossed in with Mohamed's own creations.

So your right when you say that there is no way to know what a moderate Muslims is. Of course the word moderate in our own culture has become more and more vague in what it is supposed to describe.